Episode #13: Basquiat & Rockwell September 3, 2021
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- 00:05 - Christopher is back
- 00:20 - Never say never about Basquiat
- 00:48 - It's easy to enable James' bad ideas
- 01:00 - "Art Off Octagon": Basquiat v Rockwell
- 01:25 - Catherine loosely introduces Basquiat
- 01:48 - James seriously describes Rockwell
- 02:30 - Comparing works, overcoming blindspots, seeking consensus
- 02:49 - Catherine gets roasted for her first impression of Rockwell's "Glen Canyon Dam" as Cowboy Art!
- 03:50 - Basquiat's "Beef Ribs Longhorn" actually reads as "cowboy"!
- 04:41 - Catherine chose specific Basquiat works as foils to James' Rockwell selections
- 06:48 - Catherine agrees with James' critique, and admits to tuning out anything remotely reminiscent of Cowboy Art
- 08:10 - Did Rockwell "punk" the Department of Interior with this commissioned piece?
- 08:40 - Christopher dissects the political undertones of the piece
- 09:10 - Delving deeper into the paintings negative images and birds of prey
- 11:12 - Criteria 1: First Impression
- 11:39 - Criteria 2: Evoke feeling
- 12:02 - Criteria 3: Use of medium
- 12:23 - Criteria 4: Representative of time period in which it was created
- 12:30 - Nobody likes the birds! (Except James, but no one listens to him)
- 13:20 - Criteria 5: Would you hang this on your wall?
- 13:45 - Catherine describes Basquiat's "Beef Ribs Longhorn", not rib-eye
- 15:40 - The words in piece imply "doom"
- 16:13 - Deconstructing 1980's aliens, butcher shops and the words
- 17:17 - The cow is sad
- 18:54 - Catherine sees different themes, James sees no poetic narrative
- 19:50 - Christopher described how these two works are similar
- 21:17 - James remains unconvinced
- 21:23 - Lack of framing evokes rawness
- 22:15 - The survey says, Catherine and Christopher would hang it on their wall
- 25:32 - James steps away, Christopher and Catherine decide that continuing this exercise will yield similar results
- 25:47 - Is comparison fair or necessary?
- 27:30 - The conclusions remain the same
- 28:08 - Basquiat's "raw punch" vs Rockwell's focus on detail
- 28:30 - Basquiat's "Untitled 1982" vs Rockwell's " The Connoisseur"
- 28:37 - How would Basquiat have evolved?
- 30:02- "The Connoisseur" is and is not a Jackson Pollock
- 32:57 - One more. James passionately describes Rockwell's "Lost In Paris" as a "10"
- 35:50 - Complex emotion vs raw emotion
- 36:26 - Rockwell's "New Kids In The Neighborhood"
- 39:40 - Rockwell exits The Octagon
- 40:20 - Any Basquiat for Catherine's wall
- 40:59 - "What could have been" with Basquiat?
- 42:10 - A trio of art nerds