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- 01:20 - ARTnews
- O2:10 - Securitizing artwork is a stupid idea
- 04:40 - 'Art' = infinite con-game
- 05:24 - Santa Fe "Rembrandt plates"
- 06:28 - James vs extradition
- 08:48 - Scum sucking vampires
- 09:17 - Art, baseball cards, whatever
- 10:13 - Three threads of a Picasso
- 10:35 - Full-on Ferengi Fantasy
- 10:47 - Barely a Trekie
- 12:02 - Star Trek is social commentary
- 13:26 - Catherine goes to a compost pile
- 14:03 - Was it a grub?
- 14:56 - La Brea Tar Pits in an alley
- 15:30 - Next time go to Costco
- 16:25 - Pills vs horse paste vs science
- 18:24 - Scariest stuff is real life
- 19:44 - "Do our own research"
- 21:15 - Spain is open!
- 22:28 - Why flip a coin? Get vaccinated!
- 22:35 - Artist of the Week - Cinta Vidal
- 23:42 - MC Escher with humanity https://mcescher.com
- 24:40 - Want to live inside her painting
- 25:30 - James channels Tina Fey
- 27:00 - "Escher-esque", not derivative
- 28:28 - No camping in compost
- 30:00 - Internet lacks horror, Goya delivers
- 30:24 - "Saturn Devouring His Son", Goya
- 31:00 - Mythology is confusing
- 33:48 - This is horror in painting
- 35:17 - "The Third of May 1808", Goya
- 36:10 - Back to Cinta, end on high note
- 37:23 - Duc Vuong, MD on YouTube
- 38:42 - Skewed risk perception
- 39:32 - Dr. Kat Epidemiologist on TikTok
- 40:42 - Staying in our bubbles
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- 00:10 - James goes to the doctor and gets sick
- 02:18 - "Crap-tacular"
- 02:28 - Happy October!
- 03:00 - Chloe takes the sofa
- 04:38 - Catherine's jumping chihuahua!
- 06:28 - Cats and murder
- 07:25 - Veterinarians are the best!
- 08:17 - James is the wrong species
- 09:42 - An appointment next year
- 10:32 - Who does a doctor work for?
- 10:47 - TicToc Doc
- 12:42 - The laundry goes on and on
- 13:43 - Marie Kondo who?
- 14:28 - The "zero joy" sponge
- 15:00 - "Capsule wardrobe" is the term
- 17:27 - Everyone wants to smash Catherine's phone
- 19:24 - Buried paintings and books
- 19:44 - Subtle Heatstroke Podcast plug!
- 19:48 - Taliban Twitter?
- 21:10 - 1980's England "Crying Child" paintings
- 21:43 - Well written "spooky" article
- 22:48 - LED eyes
- 24:52 - How do we make a spooky painting?
- 26:10 - We are brains in vats
- 26:36 - Algorithms and faces everywhere
- 27:33 - People love spooky stuff
- 28:14 - Danish museum wants its money back
- 28:56 - 3000 Euros for "Kabul" time!
- 30:06 - "Take The Money And Run"
- 32:40 - Put your money where your clock is
- 33:15 - Cleo barks
- 33:32 - Cleo's walk of shame
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- 00:14 - Life of a podcaster, always dull never off
- 00:20 - Catherine had a container
- 00:56 - Why are you looking at your phone?
- 01:32 - Let's talk about the art!
- 01:37 - Deconstructing the Arts Insider article
- 01:45 - Finding the art online
- 02:12 - Is invisible art hard art? Or just hard to understand?
- 02:29 - Conning someone into buying your work?
- 02:34 - This is worth $100. No $10,000!
- 02:52 - $30k is so accessible
- 03:15 - Prius is too small for Catherine's needs
- 03:45 - Fred Flintstone and the Mustang
- 03:49 - A Prius is definitely not a Mustang
- 04:10 - Disintegrating Mustang, welcome to Ford
- 04:24 - 2020 art market down, online buying up
- 04:45 - No more galleries for James
- 05:00 - Important to see the work in person
- 05:25 - Jessica Silverman's "Hayal Pozanti"
- 06:24 - Art interaction and energetic field
- 08:40 - Art on Instagram
- 09:10 - Revisiting "Virtual Phoestivus 2020"
- 10:09 - Can't compete against Netflix!
- 10:45 - Acceleration of pandemic trends
- 12:36 - James is on Pixels.com
- 14:42 - TikTok delivery experience
- 15:05 - Pins are a big thing these days
- 15:27 - Deconstructing the "unboxing thing"
- 18:48 - NFTs and how collecting is different
- 20:00 - Circling back to garbage "Art-ivists"
- 22:15 - Tan Zi Xi's "Plastic Ocean"
- 22:29 - "Disney-ification" of a message?
- 24:17 - Recycled items are a medium vs activism
- 26:00 - 40 year old copper pipe bracelets
- 28:38 - Don't cancel James for this bad ideas
- 28:56 - Soylent Green is people
- 29:27 - Robert Bradford plastic sculpture
- 31:27 - James is a "thing person"
- 32:07 - Garbage vs collectible
- 33:05 - Switchboard shelving unit
- 34:30 - House flipping lessons learned
- 35:18 - Salvaging old growth teak boxes
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- 00:12 - Bacon forgeries
- 01:18 - Is Colbert listening to SubRant?
- 01:28 - Catherine eats 'fake' bacon
- 02:30 - The "googling" of Rick Steves
- 04:05 - Inspiration from garbage
- 04:35 - Clothing landfills in Africa
- 05:44 - Recycled clothing into art
- 06:24 - Let's just talk about Louise Nevelson
- 07:20 - Repeatedly pronouncing "assemblage"
- 08:37 - Everyone is credited with influencing Abstract Expressionism
- 08:46 - Deconstructing "The Scream" - A "really off" Van Gogh
- 09:24 - Do you have an Xbox?
- 10:25 - Honing endoscopy skills via Halo?
- 10:45 - James's wife hides from the aliens
- 11:05 - Catherine borders on nihilistic
- 12:03 - Compelling monochromatic boxy work
- 13:02 - Inspiration: Mannequins from garbage
- 16:40 - Scale is everything
- 17:30 - Protective patina of COR-TEN steel
- 18:15 - Nevelson created her world
- 19:48 - Vertical pieces, rhythm, "Seventh Decade Garden 9 & 10"
- 20:21 - Master of Composition
- 20:40 - Between interior design and fine art
- 21:02 - The environment and rectilinear border
- 21:22 - Can you really do this?
- 21:37 - Some recycled "art" looks like garbage
- 22:20 - Would take years to level up
- 23:07 - New York was her palette
- 23:20 - Art stores are overwhelming & sterile
- 23:56 - James is drawn to found items
- 24:30 - From the ground of Vegas parking lot
- 25:10 - Boxes of stuff with no purpose
- 25:21 - TikTok found object artist/geologist
- 26:23 - James just wants to cut up graham cracker boxes
- 26:40 - Saving Lays potato chip bags
- 27:30 - Non-recyclable flexible plastic/metal food packaging
- 29:00 - Palm tree torsos?
- 29:55 - You need to get dirty for your art!
- 30:24 - Rewinding to Nevelson
- 30:40 - Comparing Nevelson to Rothko
- 33:03 - Roots in Cubism
- 33:27 - Diego Rivera, pre-Columbian influence
- 34:07 - Representative of their time
- 34:34 - Does gender-bias exist in art?
- 35:15 - Art critic legends in our own minds
- 35:27 - Thank you for listening!
- 35:49 - "Assemblage" one more time
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- 01:29- "Joining Plastic, Glass, and Metal On the Recycle List: Fake Art" (NY Times paywall)
- 01:35 - It's not about recycling
- 01:50 - Commas trigger James
- 02:15 - Pretentious words trigger James
- 03:25 - Art world vs elites vs the masses
- 03:36 - Language as a weapon?
- 03:45 - Catherine sums article up in seconds, but they will talk about it for 20 minutes
- 04:00 - Most of the fake art is not destroyed
- 04:10 - The only recycling is that fake pieces keep showing up for sale and authentication
- 04:15 - If everyone is upset about forgeries, just destroy them!
- 04:30 - Catalogues of fakes as teaching tools
- 04:45 - If a piece has merits, does the author really matter?
- 04:56 - "Tyranny of authorship"
- 05:40 - Celebrate the work, not the author
- 06:28 - Forged pieces are stamped, retained, and potentially resurface in art world
- 07:58 - Deconstructing authentication
- 08:54 - The case of the "thrift store Pollack"
- 09:44 - It's a sleazy market
- 10:00 - Once a forgery, always a forgery?
- 10:55 - Bad stamp
- 11:30 - James holds back re: Damien Hirst
- 12:23 - Digression about makers' marks
- 13:54 - The found piece will not be destroyed
- 14:20 - Catherine has a knack!
- 15:12 - Unanswered questions
- 15:55 - Who authenticates the authenticator?
- 17:00 - James proposes a "forgery registry", Catherine suggests putting a notch in it!
- 19:12 - James approves NY Times web design
- 20:10 - What bikinis?
- 21:50 - Both Chagall's in article are forgeries
- 23:05 - Just didn't get any vibes
- 23:45 - Catherine proposes recycling ideas
- 25:00 - Authenticator's opposing specialties: Egon Schiele vs Grandma Moses
- 26:17 - Deconstructing the term "Folk Art"
- 27:00 - The genius of Grandma Moses
- 28:27 - Villeroy & Boch "Naif" pattern
- 29:00 - The term Folk Art is purely marketing
- 30:00 - Again, the work must stand on its own
- 30:12 - Training does not beget great work
- 31:50 - "Craft" is legit
- 32:25 - Catherine "paints" with fibers
- 32:43 - Affirmation is great
- 33:45 - Was this an angry podcast?
- 34:05 - Next week, Louise Nevelson and a discussion of "recycling" in art
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Show Notes
- 00:05 - Christopher is back
- 00:20 - Never say never about Basquiat
- 00:48 - It's easy to enable James' bad ideas
- 01:00 - "Art Off Octagon": Basquiat v Rockwell
- 01:25 - Catherine loosely introduces Basquiat
- 01:48 - James seriously describes Rockwell
- 02:30 - Comparing works, overcoming blindspots, seeking consensus
- 02:49 - Catherine gets roasted for her first impression of Rockwell's "Glen Canyon Dam" as Cowboy Art!
- 03:50 - Basquiat's "Beef Ribs Longhorn" actually reads as "cowboy"!
- 04:41 - Catherine chose specific Basquiat works as foils to James' Rockwell selections
- 06:48 - Catherine agrees with James' critique, and admits to tuning out anything remotely reminiscent of Cowboy Art
- 08:10 - Did Rockwell "punk" the Department of Interior with this commissioned piece?
- 08:40 - Christopher dissects the political undertones of the piece
- 09:10 - Delving deeper into the paintings negative images and birds of prey
- 11:12 - Criteria 1: First Impression
- 11:39 - Criteria 2: Evoke feeling
- 12:02 - Criteria 3: Use of medium
- 12:23 - Criteria 4: Representative of time period in which it was created
- 12:30 - Nobody likes the birds! (Except James, but no one listens to him)
- 13:20 - Criteria 5: Would you hang this on your wall?
- 13:45 - Catherine describes Basquiat's "Beef Ribs Longhorn", not rib-eye
- 15:40 - The words in piece imply "doom"
- 16:13 - Deconstructing 1980's aliens, butcher shops and the words
- 17:17 - The cow is sad
- 18:54 - Catherine sees different themes, James sees no poetic narrative
- 19:50 - Christopher described how these two works are similar
- 21:17 - James remains unconvinced
- 21:23 - Lack of framing evokes rawness
- 22:15 - The survey says, Catherine and Christopher would hang it on their wall
- 25:32 - James steps away, Christopher and Catherine decide that continuing this exercise will yield similar results
- 25:47 - Is comparison fair or necessary?
- 27:30 - The conclusions remain the same
- 28:08 - Basquiat's "raw punch" vs Rockwell's focus on detail
- 28:30 - Basquiat's "Untitled 1982" vs Rockwell's " The Connoisseur"
- 28:37 - How would Basquiat have evolved?
- 30:02- "The Connoisseur" is and is not a Jackson Pollock
- 32:57 - One more. James passionately describes Rockwell's "Lost In Paris" as a "10"
- 35:50 - Complex emotion vs raw emotion
- 36:26 - Rockwell's "New Kids In The Neighborhood"
- 39:40 - Rockwell exits The Octagon
- 40:20 - Any Basquiat for Catherine's wall
- 40:59 - "What could have been" with Basquiat?
- 42:10 - A trio of art nerds
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- 00.03 - Good Morning Christopher
- 00.26 - James can leave anytime
- 01:20 - Cleo and Phoenix Cat bake themselves
- 01:56 - This is not a cat show, it's about art!
- 02:07 - James insists on discussing "Gene-Michael Basket"
- 02:56 - Catherine just likes the hair
- 03:06 - James finds zero resonance in the consistent scribble
- 04:15 - Christopher relives discovering Basquiat in Venice Beach
- 04:27 - Basquiat Doc Marten's don't cost millions
- 05:00 - Christopher discusses Brooklyn graffiti and Phoenix murals
- 06:05 - SAMO: Same Old Bullshit
- 07:55 - Tagging walls, developing his style
- 09:00 - Youthful angst and "Irony of a Negro Policeman"
- 09:00 - James feels bullied
- 10:30 - Dadaism explains it all
- 11:00 - "Self Portrait" 1984, Acrylic and oil stick on paper
- 12:00 - "Riding With Death" 1988, Acrylic, crayon, canvas
- 12:37 - Heroine-house field trip
- 13:25 - Dio de los Muertes and Catherine's skeleton study
- 14:30 - James remains unconvinced and unimpressed
- 17:06 - Film "Basquiat", 1996
- 17:46 - Enveloped into the Factory
- 18:20 - Warhol, the "King of Marketing"
- 19:00 - It's celebrity vs the work, benefactors vs "smack schmuck"
- 19:40 - James remains unconnected to Basquiat's work
- 20:07 - Sotherby's marketing: "How Jean-Michel Basquiat Turned Art History on Its Head"
- 20:25 - Christopher admits to being a "heavy doodler"
- 21:27 - James agrees with Basquiat on painting/sketching continuum
- 22:06 - James likes the "heads", finally says something nice!
- 22:50 - Lots of balls in his work
- 23:45 - Catherine remains "sucked in" after 20 yrs
- 24:29 - Galleries of New York City vs. James approval
- 25:30 - Christopher's philosophy on "drug-influenced art"
- 27:20 - James deconstructs art politics and how artists are "chosen"
- 29:48 - The calculated wrath of SAMO "Jean-Michel Basquiat and the Birth of SAMO"
- 31:35 - James scores a "fake it til you make it" point
- 32:40 - Christopher brings it home with Al Diaz
- 36:40 - More to discuss on Basquiat, Catherine can't stop
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